The meta-verse is still messy | MarketingwithAnoy

Technologists have been have been crazy about “the metaverse” for a long time now, and here at WIRED we have also written a lot about it. But sometimes we are still unsure of exactly how to define this next generation of the Internet, which is conditioned by 3D experiences (instead of the flat 2D screens we are currently glued to) and also a persistent, continuous federated identity. Still confused? It’s OK: In this week’s Gadget Lab podcast, we talk to Matthew Ball, a strategist, venture capitalist and author whose new book Metaverset: And how it will revolutionize everythingcoming on the shelves July 19th.


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We ask Ball how he defines the metaverse, how the Internet can possibly be reinvented, when the current version is so driven by corporate interests, whether the metaverse should be regulated, and what a realistic vision of “interoperability” can be.

Show notes

Matthew Ball’s book is Metaverset: And how it will revolutionize everything. Read Gilad’s cover story from June about Web3. Follow WIRED’s full metaverse coverage here.


Matthew recommends the show The old man on FX and the legal podcast on the U.S. Supreme Court Strict control. Gilad recommends trying an electric car sometime. Lauren recommends 5-4 podcastalso about analyzing the Supreme Court.

Matthew Ball can be found on Twitter @ballmatthew. Gilad Edelman is @Gilad Edelman. Lauren Goode is @LaurenGoode. Michael Calore is @snackfight. Bling main hotline on @GadgetLab. The show is produced by Boone Ashworth (@booneashworth). Our theme music is off Solar keys.

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